From: HERVE Gregoire (G.HERVE$##$snpe.com)
Date: Tue Jun 06 2006 - 12:17:19 EDT
I was thinking that this site was a bit serious. But regarding some very intelligent answers, I have got some doubts now. I do not think that there are some specific bad journals, and according to me Tet. and tet Lett. are not bad journals. Once I tried to reproduce a procedure described in the JOC and it failed. I asked the corresponding author why it did not work and he replied they had also some toubles to reproduce their work. Maybe we can distinguish older papers (of tetrahedron or so...). It is right that some older procedures were not fully described.
Last, about liers or so, it does not worth replying to peole who criticize Japenese or French chemists. Please try to avoid "clichés" or try to find a more convenient site to do that... Thank you.
Grégoire HERVÉ
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De : everybody-bounces$##$orglist.net [mailto:everybody-bounces$##$orglist.net] De la part de Ken Knott
Envoyé : lundi 5 juin 2006 21:26
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Objet : RE: ORGLIST: Bad Journals?
Definately not trying to provoke a war here by any means... I found their
comments interesting myself. I had seen recently that tetrahedron and
tetrahedron letters had solid impact rating recently as well. I was a bit
suprised by the commentary and I was searching for differing or similar
viewpoints.
I don't know if people are just responding to me specifically or to the list
as well, but I've received a mixed bag of responses thus far.
Anyway, the post-docs and even a professor suggest some journals are
definately better than others. They don't go quite as far as another
professor I know who says commonly, 'Don't trust anything written by the
French.. ' I don't know how much he's joking either... lol
Ken
>From: "will jones" <willjones46$##$hotmail.com>
>To: esprcorn$##$hotmail.com, everybody$##$orglist.net
>Subject: RE: ORGLIST: Bad Journals?
>Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:45:54 +0000
>
>Blimey Ken!
>
>That's a pretty bold statement, which will no doubt bring some
>reviewers
>out of the woodwork!! I know there are at least a couple of reviewers from
>ACS that are on this list.
>
>Tetrahedron Letters is the most cited letters journal in chemistry,
>which
>pretty much suggests that something in them is being done elsewhere. I
>believe also that Tetrahedron and Tetrahedron Letters are both in the top 3
>for being the most cited chemistry journals.
>
>Have they ever tried emailing the people who have done the experiments?
>Most journals give NMR in supplemental data, so the final product can be
>identified with some certainty.
>
>If I've ever had issues redoing something that has been published, then
>I
>usually think that it's my individual techniques, rather than something has
>been misrepresented.
>
>Should be interesting to see what you start up here though!!
>
>Will
>
>
>
>>From: "Ken Knott" <esprcorn$##$hotmail.com>
>>To: everybody$##$orglist.net
>>Subject: ORGLIST: Bad Journals?
>>Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:11:52 -0400
>>
>>I have been told by many post-docs in my school that when doing
>>literature
>>searches that there are many that should be regarded warily. These
>>include Tetrahedron, tetrahedron letters, synthesis, and others. They say
>>that these journals do not carefully review the submissions and will
>>publish more or less anything. And that the results are often
>>irrepreducible.
>>
>>What do you all think about this? Are there others you would
>>recommend
>>not putting much faith in?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>
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