From: nigel$##$pierpoint.u-net.com
Date: Wed Feb 22 2006 - 06:22:28 EST
As a purely UK web based operation
(http://www.syntheticpages.org/static/pwstatement.html)
its not unreasonable to expect communication to be performed via email,
hence
editor$##$syntheticpages.org.
would be the obvious place to contact them.
Maybe someone should forward these comments onto the editors and see if
there is a response.
I don't really think it is a huge problem with copyright.
Don't you reference other authors when you use their work/ideas in your own
research especially when writing papers?
Also when references the site it helps publicise it which would advertise it
to a larger audience and possibly increase the number of submissions.
As to accessing books and journals to glean information about procedures,
how many of you have been performing a reaction done countless times in the
lab before but by someone else and you can't get it to work? You're
following the prep word by word but still can't recreate the ideal
conditions that ensures 100 % yield!
Only when you ask that person do they say (Oh actually I found
that........does the trick). This information is not included in the
original prep, nor written up else where.
Its this "trivial" information that Syntheticpages tries to fill and
remember it FREE!!!
Cheers
Nigel
Eugen Leitl writes:
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 07:54:57PM +0100, Jonas Sundberg wrote:
>
>> Yes, that looks like a big problem.
>
> I wonder what the motivation behind this restrictive copyright
> was. Do the operators of http://www.syntheticpages.org/ (I kept
> looking for a contact address, but was unable to find any) eventually
> intend to raise a profit from operating it?
>
>> But I think it will be hard to get traffic/active writers, as there seem
>> to be a lack of organic chemists that surf the web. Still I think it's
>> worth a try! It doesn't cost anything else than the time wasted setting
>> it up, and it could both be fun and educative. But I think we need more
>> than a wiki of organic synthesis. A think a general wiki about organic
>> chemistry with a special section dedicated to preparatory methods would
>> work better, and maybe run a forum too.
>
> I'm a chemist by training, currently work in cheminformatics, and
> have several machines in the rack by way of hobby. Assuming people here
> would contribute content, we can easily cook up something useful, and then see
> where it goes from there. There's plenty of such projects in biological
> sciences (e.g. http://openwetware.org/wiki/Main_Page etc.), but I always
> considered organic chemists to be a too conservative bunch.
>
> Is there at all an interest here in such a project?
>
>> /Jonas
>>
>> Eugen Leitl wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 06:46:45PM +0000, will jones wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>I've tried using that site before and also found it a bit thin. If you
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >I see bigger problems here: http://www.syntheticpages.org/static/terms.php
>> >
>> >Copyright
>> >
>> > * SyntheticPages owns the copyright and any other rights to all
>> > materials on this website
>> > * SyntheticPages authorises you to:
>> > o browse and download the material
>> > o print out the material for teaching or research activities,
>> > provided that the copyright notice is included (Copyright
>> > SyntheticPages © )
>> > * You are not authorised to:
>> > o alter the material in any way
>> > o reproduce or store any part of this web site in any other
>> > public or private storage medium, electronic or otherwise,
>> > without written permission from SyntheticPages.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>could make the submission process easy, and somehow have the ability to
>> >>search by structure, then I guess you would be onto a winner.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >These are GIFs, so in order to be able to search the images would
>> >have to be reentered manually, and exported into a suitable format
>> >(SMILEs, InChI, SDF, etc.) for searching (in a pinch, obgrep would do).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>If you could also put in a 'section of failed reactions, but should have
>> >>worked' then that would be awesome.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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