From: Kiessling, Dr Anthony J (akiessli$##$mansfield.edu)
Date: Tue Feb 21 2006 - 17:26:22 EST
I guess I might be a little dense here but it seems to me that what you
are looking for already exists, it's called a library. I took a look at
the synthetic web site that was mentioned a few notes ago and thought it
reminded me of Organic Synthesis's little brother, BUT it's not peer
reviewed. As a synthetic organic chemist I would not trust this site as
much as I would Organic Synthesis, or a procedure gleaned from J. Org.
Chem. or any other ACS publication. ACS publications are already
searchable on the web, yes I know it cost an annual due but it is there.
As for the copyright issue, that is common and the ACS and other
publication houses own copyright to all published procedures. As for
more general knowledge, there are books published on practical organic
chemistry (Larock, March, Carey & Sunberg, Shriner's qual text, etc.).
Drying solvents was the first thing I learned to do when I arrived at
grad school. As the old saying goes, '40 hours in the lab will save you
an hour in the library'.
Dr. Kiessling
Department of Chemistry
Mansfield University
570-662-4546
akiessli$##$mansfield.edu
http://faculty.mansfield.edu/akiessli/
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Subject: Re: ORGLIST: Synthetic Methods Wiki
On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 07:54:57PM +0100, Jonas Sundberg wrote:
> Yes, that looks like a big problem.
I wonder what the motivation behind this restrictive copyright
was. Do the operators of http://www.syntheticpages.org/ (I kept
looking for a contact address, but was unable to find any) eventually
intend to raise a profit from operating it?
> But I think it will be hard to get traffic/active writers, as there
seem
> to be a lack of organic chemists that surf the web. Still I think it's
> worth a try! It doesn't cost anything else than the time wasted
setting
> it up, and it could both be fun and educative. But I think we need
more
> than a wiki of organic synthesis. A think a general wiki about organic
> chemistry with a special section dedicated to preparatory methods
would
> work better, and maybe run a forum too.
I'm a chemist by training, currently work in cheminformatics, and
have several machines in the rack by way of hobby. Assuming people here
would contribute content, we can easily cook up something useful, and
then see
where it goes from there. There's plenty of such projects in biological
sciences (e.g. http://openwetware.org/wiki/Main_Page etc.), but I always
considered organic chemists to be a too conservative bunch.
Is there at all an interest here in such a project?
> /Jonas
>
> Eugen Leitl wrote:
>
> >On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 06:46:45PM +0000, will jones wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I've tried using that site before and also found it a bit thin. If
you
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I see bigger problems here:
http://www.syntheticpages.org/static/terms.php
> >
> >Copyright
> >
> > * SyntheticPages owns the copyright and any other rights to all
> > materials on this website
> > * SyntheticPages authorises you to:
> > o browse and download the material
> > o print out the material for teaching or research
activities,
> > provided that the copyright notice is included (Copyright
> > SyntheticPages (c) )
> > * You are not authorised to:
> > o alter the material in any way
> > o reproduce or store any part of this web site in any other
> > public or private storage medium, electronic or otherwise,
> > without written permission from SyntheticPages.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>could make the submission process easy, and somehow have the ability
to
> >>search by structure, then I guess you would be onto a winner.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >These are GIFs, so in order to be able to search the images would
> >have to be reentered manually, and exported into a suitable format
> >(SMILEs, InChI, SDF, etc.) for searching (in a pinch, obgrep would
do).
> >
> >
> >
> >>If you could also put in a 'section of failed reactions, but should
have
> >>worked' then that would be awesome.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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