From: Shu-Kun Lin (lin$##$mdpi.org)
Date: Fri Jun 02 2000 - 08:52:39 EDT
We have too many aspects the same (the two guys Lin and Thind are
both from Asia, as Thind is originally from India,
both are in Switzerland; the two organizations are both nonprofit, etc.)
Let us behave differently and have some diversity. Have a nice weekend!
Shu-Kun Lin
E-mail: lin$##$mdpi.org
http://www.mdpi.org/lin/
Paul Thind wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> I for one do not wish to conduct this foolish debate in public. Shu-Kun Lin
> is having difficulty in understanding basic English. It was his previous
> note that stated that it was Paul Thind's new journal which prompted me to
> make the position clear.
>
> Now he states that this is Alan Katritzky's journal. This is again wrong.
>
> I have no idea how the journal Molecules is organized. Personally I do not
> care. My job is to make clear that Arkivoc belongs only to the ARKAT
> Foundation.
>
> Anyone interested in the charter of the ARKAT Foundation or mode of
> operation may look on www.arket.org . If anyone is interested in speaking
> with myself they may call me on 411 201 9700.
>
> Several months back Dr. Lin in a phone call to me catagorically refused to
> help us in developing our web site functionality for online publishing.
> I know he sees Arkivoc as competition. This is sad.
>
> We at ARKAT are totally blind to any competition, because we belive in this
> project. It will be successful!
>
> I am happy for Shu-Kun Lin to assume that what we are doing is a duplication
> of his work. I am not opposed to copying good ideas! I ask Dr. Lin how many
> possible ways are there, for publishing online or collecting compound data
> online?
>
> Perhaps someone can help us in online submission, viewing, and substructure
> searching, ordering, billing etc. of compounds (for free from our web site,
> without strings attached!). We have data on about 55,000 compounds. Anyone?
> Will the real Dr. Lin, please step forward.
>
> We are happy to recieve any help you can offer. We have a lot to do. It is
> my sincere wish that many of you will get involved in this project.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Paul Thind
>
> P.S. Please note that this is my last message on this subject! You may
> e-mail me directly if you have any questions.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shu-Kun Lin <lin$##$mdpi.org>
> To: Multiple recipients of list orglist <orglist$##$dq.fct.unl.pt>
> Sent: 01 June 2000 12:55
> Subject: Re: ORGLIST: Information - Revolution?
>
> > Professor Katritzky's (not Dr. Thind's) new journal
> > and sample collection organization have in every detail
> > the exactly the same way as our MOLECULES/MDPI (really in every details).
> > I do not mind because this only shows that the famous professor also
> > love all of our ideas.
> >
> > Let us do some good thing together during the internet-information
> > revolution. My colleagues having worked on MOLECULES/MDPI for 5 years
> > as the first electron journal of experimental chemistry and the first
> > journal encouraging sample deposit and exchange are proude of
> > MOLECULES because we have received support from many chemists including
> Noble
> > Prize winners.
> >
> > Shu-Kun Lin
> > http://www.mdpi.org
> >
> > Paul Thind wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Friends,
> > >
> > > I want to make it clear to confused minds that Arkivoc or Arkivod are
> not my
> > > journals. We have 250 referees from nearly 50 countries and we hope to
> have
> > > thousands of authors and a lot more readers.
> > >
> > > The idea for the Journal was that of Alan Katritzky. The initial
> donation
> > > has been made by Alan & Linde Katritzky. Alan and Charles Rees have
> > > organized the team (including myself) - to which new people are still
> being
> > > added. I believe in this project and am simply trying to implementing a
> > > small part of the overall strategy.
> > >
> > > The Arkat Foundation is being structured in such a way that no one
> > > individual (not even Alan or I or Charles) will be needed for its
> survival.
> > > No one person is in charge. We have the Board of Referees, The
> Scientific
> > > Editors, People in charge of Special Issues and Reviews, and the
> Technical
> > > Editors and Support Staff. Except for the Support Staff, no one is being
> > > paid!
> > >
> > > This is the only way to make it a lasting institution. This may sound
> corny
> > > .. but Arkat is about Chemists helping Chemists. It belongs to you.
> > >
> > > I think the arkat web site makes all this very clear.
> > >
> > > I do not know enough about MolBank to copy the idea. Donors and
> customers
> > > will decide who can offer the best product and service.
> > >
> > > Yours sincerely,
> > >
> > > Paul Thind
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Shu-Kun Lin <lin$##$mdpi.org>
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list orglist <orglist$##$dq.fct.unl.pt>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 3:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: ORGLIST: Information - Revolution?
> > >
> > > > Very promising: at least there is one more journal which support the
> idea
> > > > of MOLECULES (http://www.mdpi.org/molecules/) strongly. However,
> > > > Dr. Paul Thind is correct. The online edition is free. MDPI sell
> CD-ROM
> > > > and encourage authors to deposit samples and share samples.
> > > > Is Dr. Paul Thind's other journal ARKIVOD's goal will be
> > > > that of our MolBank at http://www.molbank.org/?
> > > >
> > > > Shu-Kun
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Shu-Kun Lin
> > > > Molecular Diversity Preservation International (MDPI)
> > > > Saengergasse 25, CH-4054 Basel, Switzerland
> > > > Tel. +41 79 322 3379, Fax +41 61 302 8918
> > > > E-mail: lin$##$mdpi.org
> > > > http://www.mdpi.org/lin/
> > > >
> > > > Paul Thind wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > At ARKAT we have tried to involve as many scientists as possible
> when
> > > > > deciding on the procedures for publishing and the checks and
> balances
> > > one
> > > > > needs in place before manuscripts should be accepted for
> publication.
> > > > >
> > > > > First of all there are obvious differences between say a Journal of
> > > Organic
> > > > > Chemistry and a Journal of Physics. Secondly authors are not
> uniformly
> > > good.
> > > > > This applies both to delivery of format and content. One can of
> course
> > > have
> > > > > several journals - one of which could be a dustbin for all kinds of
> > > stuff.
> > > > > My belief is that any alternative journal(s) it will only succeed if
> > > high
> > > > > standards remain one of the primary objectives. Let us face it, the
> best
> > > > > scientists are not going to publish their work these "free" online
> > > journals
> > > > > unless standards are kept high. One needs these guys for all sorts
> of
> > > > > reasons.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are also costs associated with even free online publishing. We
> are
> > > > > finding that on average a refereed manuscripts still requires 2-3
> hours
> > > of
> > > > > technical editing before it can be presented with a uniform format
> in
> > > > > Arkivoc. At ARKAT we have paid staff doing this Publication Support
> > > work.
> > > > >
> > > > > I urge you to be realistic. Online publications need structures,
> support
> > > > > staff, hardware, software, printing, some advertising, marketing,
> fund
> > > > > raising, packaging, posting capabilities. But if it is done in a
> > > > > not-for-profit organization all this can be done at a fraction of
> the
> > > cost
> > > > > of REED or Elsevier Publications and if there are no shareholders
> the
> > > user
> > > > > can have it for free. BUT MONEY FOR THE PROJECT HAS TO COME FROM
> > > SOMEWHERE-
> > > > > AND in the case of Arkat this is coming from donations, sale of
> chemical
> > > > > samples, arranging conferences, and potentially selling other things
> > > online
> > > > > and advertising.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our second journal ARKIVOD - Archives of Organic Data is meant to
> fill
> > > the
> > > > > gap in the database area. We can use your help in designing this
> > > database
> > > > > and making sure it is made available for free to everyone.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am very much interested in hearing from people who might want to
> lead
> > > this
> > > > > effort in developing online spectra databases, compound database and
> > > other
> > > > > useful services. We are willing to provide considerable help in
> terms of
> > > > > software development work etc. But we need a leader!
> > > > >
> > > > > Our motto is "Creating equality through equal access to knowledge."
> > > > >
> > > > > Yours sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Thind
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Thanasis Gimisis <gimisis$##$area.bo.cnr.it>
> > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list orglist <orglist$##$dq.fct.unl.pt>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 6:48 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: ORGLIST: Information - Revolution?
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think that the list has touched one of the most important
> current
> > > > > > topics in the subject of free dissemination of chemical
> information.
> > > > > > Why Chemists can't do what physicists have been doing for all this
> > > time?
> > > > > > The Physics preprint archive that Eugene Leitl mentioned is the
> proof
> > > > > > of success of an article preprint and why not a structure and
> spectra
> > > > > > database which can be built directly from us, direct providers and
> > > > > > users of chemical information, circumventing specific Chemical
> > > > > > Societies or Publishing Companies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The idea of a preprint server which receives chemical information
> in
> > > > > > a convenient format for archiving can co-exist with the current
> > > > > > status of variable-impact hard-copy journals and as Henry Rezpa
> has
> > > > > > put it possible formats already have been proposed. All that is
> > > > > > required is an extra effort from our part to transform an article
> to
> > > > > > such a format. I think that if the procedure is kept simple and
> > > > > > software or templates are constructed to aid this transformation
> it
> > > > > > will be adopted by a large number of researchers in the long run.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Eugene Leitl writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The chemical society as a whole has allowed this to happen, by
> > > > > > >tolerating the status quo for years, despite existiance of
> > > essentially
> > > > > > >zero-cost publishing on the web. (For instance, consider the
> > > > > > >electronical preprint archive for the physical community at
> > > > > > >http://xxx.lanl.gov )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >... a globally accepted open/noncommercial expandable
> > > > > > >document publishing standard has to be defined (inasmuch chemical
> XML
> > > > > > >doesn't qualify already), which has to have means of intelligent
> full
> > > > > > >text, structure (unique SMILES or graphs) and (IR, MS, NMR)
> spectre
> > > > > > >searching. These standards have to be implemented in OpenSource
> > > > > > >software, putting the development into the hands of the users.
> All
> > > > > > >this is not exactly rocket science so far.
> > > > __________________
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