ORGLIST: newsgroup organic chemists

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From: by way of Joao Aires de Sousa (cheakv$##$
Date: Wed Apr 16 1997 - 21:54:11 EDT

Dear Collegues,

Included is the 2nd Request For Discussion for the newsgroup (WWW version at following the first
request posted on February 19, 1996. Comments on the changes can be found
at the end of the proposal. Please note that mailing lists and newsgroups
have their own merits and can perfectly live next to each other. Any
discussion about this proposal should be posted in the newsgroup
news.groups. Be aware that news.groups is unmoderated and
plagued by off-topic posting. More information about the creation of
newsgroups can be found at


Koen Van Aken

From: Koen Van Aken <cheakv$##$>
Subject: 2nd RFD:
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.chem,
sci.chem.organomet, sci.chem.labware, sci.chem.analytical,

moderated group

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you
cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.

CHANGES from previous RFD:

The typo error reading 'unmoderated' newsgroup in the first
paragraph is corrected to moderated.

The minimum requirement for the moderator is dropped and
two moderators are added.

The distribution list contains two new mailing list for organic
chemists. The old one is removed.

The paragraphs about possible discussion topics and policy
towards commercial activity are rewritten but the general idea
remains unchanged.

Newsgroup line: Synthetic organic chemistry related topics


Synthetic organic chemistry touches many disciplines. Besides the
synthesis and isolation of compounds at the bench, organic chemists
have to be familiar with literature searching, analytical techniques,
computer applications etc.
Currently, two mailing lists (ORGCHEM and NAPRONET) cover
the organic synthesis part but traffic on these lists is rather limited.
Other topics of interest for organic chemists are spread out over a
wide variety of newsgroups (sci.chem, sci.chem.organomet,
sci.chem.labware, sci.chem.analytical, sci.polymers,
sci.chem.research, sci.techniques.mag-resonance,
sci.techniques.mass-spec,,, sci.research.postdoc) and mailing lists
YSN, BIBSOFT), but it is close to impossible to monitor and filter
out useful information on a daily basis.

Possible discussion issues include:

Organic synthesis reactions and mechanisms, Organic synthesis
literature, Purification and analysis of organic compounds,
Commercial availability of reagents, Laboratory hints, Laboratory

Policy towards commercial activity:

Although many newsgroups strictly prohibit any commercial activity,
it is important that organic chemists stay in touch with 'the
commercial world'. Therefore, it is permitted for (commercial)
organizations to post novel software, novel organic chemistry literature,
WWW-sites useful for organic chemists, upcoming organic synthesis
conferences and job openings for organic chemists under a single
condition: The subject line must start with the term ANNOUNCEMENT:.
In this way, uninterested readers are not forced to browse these

Not permitted postings include:

Anything out of touch with the synthetic organic field, Any
commercial activity that is not an announcement of a new product,
Any offensive language, Any formal or hidden request for synthesis
of illegal compounds.

Signature policy:

At the end of each article, a full name and e-mail address is
mandatory. Listing of position and association is optional but
strongly encouraged.


A newsgroup exclusively for synthetic organic chemists (audience-
specific and not subject-specific) will create a dynamic virtual
meeting place for fellow scientists and an excellent current awareness

Moderation policies:

This proposal is pro moderation to filter out unwanted (see not
permitted postings) and 'anonymous' (see signature policy) messages.
Although there are some disadvantages associated with moderated
groups - some people compare it with censorship and it slows down
the discussion - , sci.* groups have been plagued before with off-
topic discussions which eventually turned users away.



Moderators: Koen Van Aken <cheakv$##$>
             Teunis vanRee <vanreet$##$>
             Frederic Denonne <denonne$##$>

The goal is to set up a team of volunteer moderators from academy
and industry. Their work mainly involves granting approval of the
message to be posted. Besides workload reduction, the advantage of a
team is the possibility to ask for second opinion upon approval of an
article. Rejected but 'goodwill' postings will be send to originator
with a short explanation. If interested, please post your application to
news.groups or contact Koen Van Aken for more information.



This is a request for a discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call
For Votes may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup
creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet
Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group
Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in
news.announce.newsgroup) if you have any questions about the


This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.chem,
sci.chem.organomet, sci.chem.labware, sci.chem.analytical,

and the following mailing lists:

ORGCHEM (Every topic related to organic chemistry)
Subscribe via: listadmin.orgchem$##$

ORGLIST (Every topic related to organic chemistry)
Subscribe via: listserver$##$

NAPRONET (discussions about chemistry and biological activity of
natural products)
Subscribe via: listproc$##$

CHMINF-L (questions about reference tools and databases of
chemical nature)
Subscribe via: listserv$##$

Proponent: Koen Van Aken <cheakv$##$>
Mentor: Zoli Fekete <fekete$##$>
----------------------------END PROPOSAL------------------------

Additional comments on 2nd RFD

Change of name:

The name was subject to a lively discussion and was the main reason
for the delay in the posting of the second RFD.
One group stated that time is not ripe for an organic hierarchy and
sci.chem is good as it is. Another group liked the original name: it was
straightforward, left room for future expansion and ideal for retrieval
purposes. Eventually, the decision was made to keep the original name
which had full support from the volunteer group.


Not the moderation itself but the minimum requirement for the
moderator was a sensitive issue. Consequently, this requirement was
dropped. Two moderator candidates have already signed in, and anyone
interested is still welcome. The goal is to set up a worldwide team that
is as diverse as possible (geography, academy and industry, research
interests). The intentions are to assign a moderator for each day of the
week and maintain a dynamic discussion with a check frequency of
three times a day.

Two new organic mailinglist:

Two new mailing list for organic chemist emerged during the creation
processs. Mailing lists and newsgroups about a similar subject can
perfectly live next to each other as both have their own merits. If this
newsgroup passes, the cyber landscape will have changed dramatically
in favor of organic chemists. All this makes an unmoderated newsgroup
for organic chemist, as some readers suggested, not necessary.

Policy towards commercial postings:

The general idea is kept to devide discussion topics from (commercial)
announcements by requiring the subject title to start with
ANNOUNCEMENT. To my opinion, one general word is favorable
over many different as JOB, COMMERCIAL etc. However, this and
the name of the general word is still open for discussion.

The old mailing list for organic chemist:

Has anyone any idea about the status of the old mailing list for organic
chemist (apparently not functional)?

Dr. Koen Van Aken
Georgia State University

ORGLIST - Organic Chemistry Mailing List
WWW Homepage and Archive:
List coordinator: Joao Aires de Sousa (jas$##$

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